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Renata Beger talks to Adam Lipiński, September 22

AL: So, you with a group of five people, which makes six altogether, you join PiS, and they join the other club or set up their own. It's good. What are the expectations?

RB: Well, as I said.

AL: So, what? Secretary of State at the Ministry of Agriculture, yes?

RB: And right now.

AL: You know, that's no problem at all, because we have lots of vacant positions, I mean lots, no problem with this one. What about the others? I'd rather they didn't go for Secretaries of State…

Renata Beger talks to Adam Lipiński, September 25

RB: I've been thinking that if there are Deputies waiting for my decision, then perhaps you will be able to secure me financially just in case, and the rest will go, as you know… by the wayside.

AL: We've been considering today to start… Because in theory, the Sejm could be charged with this payment, if Lepper… Theoretically, it's possible.

RB: Well, but how? In what way?

AL: Well, that the Sejm… that the debt collector could… until the appeal of these Deputies kind of comes into force… that the Sejm will somehow, I don't know how, I'm not a lawyer, secure the money legally.

RB: It would finance, so to speak, right?

AL: Yeah, because we've also been thinking of setting up some fund, which until the matter is resolved, could, how shall I put it, put up the money for these Deputies, if, God forbid, the debt collector comes.

Renata Beger talks to Wojciech Mojzesowicz, September 26

RB: But Lipiński wasn't specific, he said that at the moment the Prime Minister says "no."

WM: Only, what could be the biggest blow to you, well for example, joining and right after that, the nomination. One should wait at least two or three weeks. Otherwise this would be trading, and then one also loses standing…

We should wait a while, because you've come to us. Because you wanted to. And then it will turn out - but don't stop pushing for it - when after two weeks the issue has eased off a bit, you'll be nominated.

RB: Lipiński didn't put it that way.

WM: No, don't push right from the start. Because they'll kill us - a seat for a seat, you know…

Translated by Katarzyna Marcinkowska